Ep. 25 – Artificial Intelligence and Minds | Dr. Bram van Heuveln

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5 comments

  1. Johnathan Sherbert says:

    Two plus two could not possibly be equal to four. There must be something
    else going on! “Four” has a property called “qualia” and “fourness” which
    means that it could not possibly be explained by mere addition and
    mathematics. That could not possibly be the case! I don’t have to explain
    myself of what I mean by “qualia” and “fourness!” Any attempt to come up
    with a logical explanation of what it is does not explain “fourness” and
    “qualia!”

    The mind and consciousness could not possibly be equivalent to a complex
    series of neural circuits which determine how we perceive information about
    the real world, process that perception such that we are able to make use
    of it, and then cause us to flex and extend muscles by sending an action
    potential to yet another circuit of neurons. There must be something else
    going on! The mind has a special property called “qualia” and
    “consciousness” which means that it could not possibly be explained by mere
    physical biology and the logic that makes up the laws of physics,
    chemistry, and every other useful field of science that we have come up
    with by the scientific method, which has led us to come up with a logical
    explanation for everything that exists—even consciousness and the mind.
    That could not possibly be the case! I don’t have to explain myself of what
    I mean by “qualia” and “consciousness!” Any attempt to come up with a
    logical explanation of what it is does not explain “consciousness” and
    “qualia!”

    To say that neuroscience and the theory that the brain is the architecture
    behind how the mind functions, a very well-supported explanation of what
    consciousness and qualia are, is wrong is a rejection of logic. You say
    that it is logically necessary that consciousness exists, yet you reject
    the logical explanation of what it logically exists as and how it
    functions. This is insanity by your own definition.

  2. canis760 says:

    It feels a little unsatisfying that, even someone who appears to reject
    materialism, just instantly dismisses everything else. Like “well dualism,
    it’s silly”. Or just dismissing “soul” without really even going into what
    that means.

    It’s like they are so terrified of agreeing with anything that could
    potentially lead to agreeing with a religious person, they just put on
    these blinders and call it a day.

  3. Jeff Rodriguez says:

    Steve, are you familiar with Robert Anton Wilson at all? I found his
    different talks on YouTube dumbfoundingly fascinating.

  4. Raimonds J. says:

    Steve, join minds.com , there you will find more people who might be
    interested in your content.

  5. Doug Blakely says:

    I really enjoy your podcasts! Are you familiar with the ff?

    “Existence exists—and the act of grasping that statement implies two
    corollary axioms: that something exists which one perceives and that one
    exists possessing consciousness, consciousness being the faculty of
    perceiving that which exists.

    If nothing exists, there can be no consciousness: a consciousness with
    nothing to be conscious of is a contradiction in terms. A consciousness
    conscious of nothing but itself is a contradiction in terms: before it
    could identify itself as consciousness, it had to be conscious of
    something. If that which you claim to perceive does not exist, what you
    possess is not consciousness.

    Whatever the degree of your knowledge, these two—existence and
    consciousness—are axioms you cannot escape, these two are the irreducible
    primaries implied in any action you undertake, in any part of your
    knowledge and in its sum, from the first ray of light you perceive at the
    start of your life to the widest erudition you might acquire at its end.
    Whether you know the shape of a pebble or the structure of a solar system,
    the axioms remain the same: that it exists and that you know it . . .
    Existence is Identity, Consciousness is Identification.”

    If so, your comments?

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